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Bradley Manning
Bradley Manning

(7:18:03 AM) bradass87: The encrypted message received from bradass87 is unreadable, as you are not currently communicating privately.

(7:19:05 AM) Unverified conversation with bradass87 started.

(7:19:12 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: hey you

(7:19:19 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: resend?

(7:19:19 AM) bradass87: whats up?

(7:19:29 AM) bradass87: i just said hello

(7:19:46 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: waking up. got up about an hour ago, 0615.

(7:20:10 AM) bradass87: heh, the evening is still young here

(7:20:26 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: how're you feeling today?

(7:20:37 AM) bradass87: im feeling a little better...

(7:20:52 AM) bradass87: i had a lot on my mind, keeping to myself

(7:22:18 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: anything new & exciting?

(7:24:21 AM) bradass87: no, was outside in the sun all day... 110 degrees F, doing various details for a visiting band and some college team's cheerleaders...

(7:24:43 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: cheerleaders.

(7:24:46 AM) bradass87: ran a barbecue... but no-one showed up... threw a lot of food away

(7:25:20 AM) bradass87: yes, football cheerleaders... visiting on off season... apart of Morale Welfare and Recreation (MWR) projects

(7:25:39 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: *sigh*

(7:26:01 AM) bradass87: >shrug<

(7:26:37 AM) bradass87: im sunburned... and smell like charcoal, sweat, and sunscreen... thats about all thats new

(7:26:47 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: Is there a Baghdad 2600 meeting? ;>

(7:28:04 AM) bradass87: there's only one other person im aware of that actually knows anything about computer security... he's a SIGINT analyst, of course

(7:28:41 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: Is he the other one who pokes around t he network?

(7:29:26 AM) bradass87: no... afaik, he doesn't play around with classified networks... but im sure he's capable

(7:30:09 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: then it stands to reason that you have at least 3 people who have some infosec knowledge

(7:31:15 AM) bradass87: im not quite sure what you're saying

(7:31:23 AM) bradass87: infosec knowledge of what?

(7:31:29 AM) bradass87: the networks?

(7:32:13 AM) bradass87: i know a lot of computer security people

(7:32:44 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: i mean, in a way that would lend itself to a meeting.

(7:33:33 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: i'm writing a message trying to tie meetings together globally with a sampling of only ~3000 people to work with and get to go out and evangelize, so i have it on the brain

(7:33:50 AM) bradass87: not really... different types of people... know how to, but dont

(7:34:33 AM) bradass87: you don't want these people having a meeting

(7:34:48 AM) bradass87: though... i guess you do

(7:35:37 AM) bradass87: other person knows a lot about phones... how to tap cellular phones (its his job, after all)

(7:35:56 AM) bradass87: PROPHET team

(7:36:22 AM) bradass87: http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/systems/prophet.htm

(7:36:47 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: Can they do CDMA or GSM over-the-air vs. at the switch?

(7:37:07 AM) bradass87: both

(7:37:16 AM) bradass87: v3 as well

(7:37:48 AM) bradass87: over-the-air and at switches and towers...

(7:38:06 AM) bradass87: redundancy for locational refinement

(7:38:14 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: I assume the same could be done in the U.S.

(7:38:37 AM) bradass87: of course

(7:39:14 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: Too bad Philip Agee died. You and he would have fun conversations.

(7:39:43 AM) bradass87: well, im not an expert in SIGINT... im just familiar

Bradley Manning poster
Bradley Manning poster

(7:40:06 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: Neither was he. He just didn't like what he saw in the course of his work.

(7:40:11 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: And wrote about it.

(7:40:43 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: "Inside the Company" — followed by "On the Run", predictably.

(7:40:56 AM) bradass87: i know that approximately 85-90% of global transmissions are sifted through by NSA... but vast majority is noise... so its getting harder and harder for them to track anything down...

(7:41:31 AM) bradass87: its like finding a needle in a haystack...

(7:42:11 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: Especially the way I speak Spanish. Rapidfire, few pauses between words :p

(7:43:11 AM) bradass87: heh

(7:43:41 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: Colombians in Colombia think all Americans are CIA. It's kind of funny.

(7:44:01 AM) bradass87: but once a single piece of information is found... then the databases can be sifted and sifted and sifted some more, for refinement, so other intelligence functions can get in the act

(7:44:09 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: Fortunately, there are plenty of Colombians with my skin tone.

(7:44:20 AM) bradass87: >nod<

(7:45:52 AM) bradass87: im not all that paranoid about NSA / SIGINT services... you just have to be OPSEC savvy, and you're all good

(7:46:27 AM) bradass87: and FISA actually does come in very handy

(7:46:46 AM) bradass87: though, its frequently overlooked

(7:47:36 AM) bradass87: i.e.: they'll collect signal information, to refine other intel sources and try to collect evidence...

(7:47:57 AM) bradass87: erasing the signal data

(7:48:11 AM) bradass87: since its not legally "evidence"

(7:49:38 AM) bradass87: and yes, illegal wiretaps are used in coordination between NSA and FBI... though its not seen as illegal, because often the data is only used to give leads

(7:49:42 AM) bradass87: and not evidence

(7:50:49 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: *nod*

(7:50:52 AM) bradass87: one of the reasons assange uses his rubberhose plausibly deniable whole-disk encryption setup

(7:51:46 AM) bradass87: i can see both sides of the whole illegal wiretap debate

(7:52:17 AM) bradass87: it IS awfully useful in catching bad people... but innocent privacy IS violated...

(7:52:37 AM) bradass87: but everyone does it now...

(7:53:08 AM) bradass87: its an inevitability... thats my honest opinion

(7:53:31 AM) bradass87: so, i encrypt as much as i can

(7:54:31 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: how much encryption can be trusted?

(7:54:38 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: say, is PGP secure? OTR?

(7:55:13 AM) bradass87: depends... depends on the algorithm... depends on how safe you keep your private keys

(7:55:26 AM) bradass87: DES / Triple DES... you're doomed in minutes

(7:55:46 AM) bradass87: AES variants... take brute force

(7:56:06 AM) bradass87: days to weeks to break

(7:56:24 AM) bradass87: its about securing the keys, using complex enough keys...

(7:56:42 AM) bradass87: and sticking to Rijndael variants

(7:57:15 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: Does keylength matter past 2048?

(7:57:28 AM) bradass87: it can

(7:58:06 AM) bradass87: RSA 1024 takes a few weeks... university of michigan finally broke it with a partial

(7:59:00 AM) bradass87: 2048... never heard of it being broken publicly... NSA can feasibly do it, if they want to allocate national level "number-crunching" time to do it...

(7:59:56 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: What about OTR?

(8:00:33 AM) bradass87: OTR is good... but change fingerprints every few weeks

Screen shot from Collateral Murder
Screen shot from Collateral Murder

(8:00:59 AM) bradass87: its not frequently used by terrorists... so... its not a priority to find a crack

(8:01:25 AM) bradass87: the whole pidgin / adium learning curve has its advantage

(8:01:30 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: Does Assange use AIM or other messaging services? I'd like to chat with him one of these days about opsec. My only credentials beyond intrusion are that the FBI never got my data or found me, before my negotiated surrender, but that's something.

(8:01:53 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: And my data was never recovered.

(8:02:07 AM) bradass87: no he does not use AIM

(8:02:37 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: How would I get ahold of him?

(8:02:59 AM) bradass87: he would come to you

(8:03:26 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: I've never failed to get ahold of someone.

(8:03:29 AM) bradass87: he does use OTR though... but discusses nothing OPSEC

(8:03:42 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: I cornered Ashcroft IRL, in the end.

(8:04:19 AM) bradass87: he *might* use the ccc.de jabber server... but you didn't hear that from me

(8:04:33 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: gotcha

(8:06:00 AM) bradass87: im going to grab some dinner, ttyl

(8:06:18 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31130826&id=704990

(8:06:47 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: i didn't pass security, either. or rather, i did ;>

(8:06:52 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: enjoy dinner.

(8:06:55 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: twys.

(9:12:38 AM) bradass87: bk

(9:12:38 AM) info@adrianlamo.com <AUTO-REPLY>: I have more messages than resources allocatable to action them. Please be very patient.

(9:22:54 AM) bradass87: interesting... marine uniform... illegal, but certainly easy

(9:24:11 AM) bradass87: why ashcroft?

(9:24:24 AM) bradass87: oh, nevermind... DoJ

(9:24:29 AM) bradass87: >yawn<

(9:26:52 AM) bradass87: im really not familiar at all with FBI stuff

(9:27:04 AM) bradass87: americans have so many more rights than non-americans

(9:31:42 AM) bradass87: its awful

(9:46:11 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: Ashcroft´s DOJ tried to use the USA PATRIOT Act on me.

(10:06:24 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: around?

(10:12:34 AM) bradass87: yeah

(10:12:57 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: are you baptist by any chance?

(10:13:34 AM) bradass87: raised catholic... never believed a word of it

(10:13:59 AM) bradass87: im godless... i guess i follow humanist values though

(10:14:15 AM) bradass87: have custom dogtags that say "Humanist"

(10:15:19 AM) bradass87: always been too intellectual, if not just plain queer, for religion

(10:15:48 AM) bradass87: why?

(10:17:15 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: regional religions in the U.S. — incorrect hunch

(10:17:34 AM) bradass87: i suffered out there

(10:17:56 AM) bradass87: i was the only non-religous person in town

(10:18:17 AM) bradass87: more pews than people...

(10:18:37 AM) bradass87: i understand them though

(10:18:53 AM) bradass87: im not mean to them... they *really* don't know

(10:19:39 AM) bradass87: i politely disagree... but they are the ones who get uncomfortable when i make, very politely, good leading points...

(10:20:48 AM) bradass87: (by leading points, i mean ask multiple questions, with obvious answers, then ask a question based on the answers from the previous questions that challenges their normal response to the same question)

(10:21:26 AM) bradass87: [excellent example of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yhN1IDLQjo]

(10:28:21 AM) bradass87: new yorker is running 10k word article on wl.org on 30 may, btw

(10:28:21 AM) info@adrianlamo.com <AUTO-REPLY>: I have more messages than resources allocatable to action them. Please be very patient.

Screenshot from Collateral Murder
Screenshot from Collateral Murder

(10:33:07 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: one moment fone

(10:33:30 AM) bradass87: (tracking device)

(10:37:28 AM) bradass87: trust level increasing? [quantify]

(10:58:30 AM) bradass87: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs005.snc3/11240_209778763205_642858205_4266300_6312600_n.jpg

(10:58:30 AM) info@adrianlamo.com <AUTO-REPLY>: I have more messages than resources allocatable to action them. Please be very patient.

(11:09:27 AM) bradass87: :whistle:

(11:09:27 AM) info@adrianlamo.com <AUTO-REPLY>: I have more messages than resources allocatable to action them. Please be very patient.

(11:16:39 AM) bradass87: here's an awkward pic... i look so short -_- http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs146.snc1/5413_150043228205_642858205_3563600_6825681_n.jpg

(11:17:45 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: was on the phone. may have a gig copy-editing.

(11:21:34 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: ironic, huh?

(11:21:55 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: well, not ironic

(11:21:57 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: just funny

(11:22:14 AM) info@adrianlamo.com: all the things i could do, but i copy-edit

(11:28:38 AM) bradass87: lol

(11:28:38 AM) bradass87: not much different from my (previous?) job

(11:28:42 AM) bradass87: take slides from subordinate battalions, change wording, improve spelling, replace battalion symbols with brigade symbols, disseminate throughout brigade and forward to division

(11:29:12 AM) bradass87: leaves a computer savvy guy a lot of time to pry around

(11:31:13 AM) bradass87: i dont know what im going to do now... =L

(11:31:13 AM) bradass87: well, wait... obviously

(11:31:17 AM) bradass87: i guess i could start electrolysis as soon im back in the states... even before im outprocessed

(11:36:12 AM) bradass87: still gonna be weird watching the world change on the macro scale, while my life changes on the micro

(11:36:12 AM) info@adrianlamo.com <AUTO-REPLY>: I have more messages than resources allocatable to action them. Please be very patient.

(11:36:12 AM) bradass87: never been good at the micro

(12:12:01 PM) bradass87: fucking satellite internet :@

(12:12:01 PM) info@adrianlamo.com <AUTO-REPLY>: I have more messages than resources allocatable to action them. Please be very patient.

(12:13:25 PM) bradass87: light dust storm... might go in and out of Cx

(12:33:53 PM) bradass87: still there?

(12:33:53 PM) info@adrianlamo.com <AUTO-REPLY>: I have more messages than resources allocatable to action them. Please be very patient.

(12:38:30 PM) bradass87: ping

(1:08:40 PM) bradass87: ping

(1:24:21 PM) bradass87: did you know it took NSA 6 months, and 50 people to figure out how to tap the iPhone

(1:24:21 PM) info@adrianlamo.com <AUTO-REPLY>: I have more messages than resources allocatable to action them. Please be very patient.

(1:26:16 PM) bradass87: they honestly didn't know what was going on, because of the sudden format switch when AT&T made the contract

(1:26:32 PM) bradass87: =P

(1:27:42 PM) bradass87: [not 100% if thats true, but i've heard enough variations by NSA types to believe it]

(1:27:46 PM) bradass87: *sure

(1:35:13 PM) bradass87: ping

(1:40:41 PM) bradass87: ping

(1:41:29 PM) bradass87: [sorry, have a lot on my mind... i like talking]

(1:55:28 PM) bradass87: <— sleep [you can reply, ill check in morning]

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